Saturday, 3 May 2025

Predestination

 

A difficult subject this: 

PREDESTINATION - (in Christian theology) the doctrine that God has ordained all that will happen, especially with regard to the salvation of some and not others. It has been particularly associated with the teachings of St Augustine of Hippo and of Calvin.

Your views would be appreciated. 

There was a Christian preacher on TV talking about predestination. He sited the story in Genesis 27 onwards where Rebekah, Isaac's wife, cheats Esau of his inheritance. Isaac was blind and called forward for his son Esau to be blessed. Rebekah encouraged Jacob, (the twin brother), to go forward instead dressed like Esau, (who was rather hairy), and Isaac mistakenly blesses the wrong son.

The story goes back to when Rebekah was pregnant with twins. She prays to God and, "The babies jostled each other within her, and she said, “Why is this happening to me?” So she went to inquire of the Lord. The Lord said to her,“Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger.” Genesis 25:22

Hence the theory that by encouraging Jacob to cheat his older twin brother of his inheritance, Rebekah was fulfilling God's prophecy and predestination that Jacob would become ruler.

Now, I have difficulties with this:

First of all, I do not believe that God would encourage cheating and stealing of one's inheritance. To do so would make Him no different to Satan.

Secondly, to believe in predestination would mean that we are all destined to do what we do - good or evil. We have no free will. We are robots pre-programmed by God. 

I don't believe God plays games with us. He has given us free will to do as we choose and He will not interfere with our choices, however wrong and evil they are. He will often nudge us, and give us opportunities to change our ways; but He will not force His will upon us. To do so would mean taking away our free will.

To believe in predestination would mean that Judas had no choice to do what he did. Neither had Pilate a choice, or the Sadducees, Pharisees and all the people throughout the ages who have done many wrongs to society and humanity. They are all guiltless because they were programmed so to do. I think such logic, and the preaching of such logic, is faulty.

I do not believe in predestination. But I believe an all-knowing God knows in advance what choices we will make in life.

What do you think?

22 comments:

  1. ...I'm not a believer!

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  2. I believe as you do....An All Knowing God knows what choices our human minds will choose. I Believe in Jesus Christ as my savior and as the Savior of the world. Thank you so much for your many prayers for my Sam...they are so appreciated.

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    1. Thank you, Shug. I was concerned to see on our TV in the UK a Christian preacher who seemed to believe in predestination.

      I'll continue to pray for Sam and you and your family. God bless.

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  3. No predestination for me! We all have free will, and God wants us to choose wisely. We can only do so with His help. Blessings, Victor!

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  4. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN PREDESTINATION!

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  5. Count me in - Predestination doesn’t make sense to me - 2 Peter 3:9 affirms that God is "not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance," indicating His desire for everyone to have the opportunity for salvation.

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    1. Thank you Debby. I agree with you 100%. God's invitation is for everyone. Each one of us has to make his choice to be saved ... or not.

      God bless you always my friend.

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  6. Victor, I agree with you on predestination. I believe God has given us the ability (and permission) to choose, right or wrong. He already knows what we will decide to do long before we ever do it.

    I don't know that He punishes us when we do wrong, but we do have to experience the consequences of the wrong choices, which could be interpreted as punishment.

    I also believe that when we confess our sins (those wrong choices), He forgives us (I John 1:9) and then (if we humbly submit to Him) He helps us to deal wisely with the consequences, although the consequences usually/probably never go away.

    It's like we chose a certain road and have to keep traveling that road but He helps us navigate the pot holes when we look to Him for help.

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    1. What a wonderful response, Barbara. Thank you. I could not have put it any better. Yes, I agree with you totally. I like the way you say that God gave us "the permission" to choose. And you are right, we have to experience the consequences of our wrong-doings - even by going to hell as a result.

      God bless you always, Barbara.

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  7. No predestination for me either. God gave us free will to do as we please. He knows how it will all play out.

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    1. Amen Bill. Thank you for taking the time to respond. God bless you and your family.

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  8. I agree with you!!
    God has a plan for each of us. We don't always follow what He wants us to do. But God can turn our wrong choices around and make something good out of it.

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    1. Yes, well said K. We have a free choice to get it wrong; God forgives and gives us many chances to return to Him.

      God bless.

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  9. I do not believe in predestination one bit. In fact, I wonder if some people have used that (argument) as an excuse for their actions. God has a better idea.

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    1. That's the point precisely, Mevely. To believe in predestination is to condone what Judas and Pilate did and what every evil-doer did since the dawn of time.

      God bless you and your family.

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  10. Corrie Ten Boom once asked her father what it meant to him (he was Dutch Reformed Church), and he said, "The ground upon which I build my faith is not in me, but is in the faithfulness of God."

    Predestination does not mean we are robots or that God has pre-programmed every choice for us. It means He has given us freedom to choose and He respects our choices while at the same time He is able to work our free choices into His overall plan so His will shall be done.

    That's what I once heard in a sermon and I've tried to explain it as well as I could.

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    1. Your second paragraph explains it well, Mimi. Thank you.

      God bless you always.

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  11. ❤️💕❤️💕❤️💕

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