Friday 8 October 2021

Divisions

 


I've been blogging for a few years now, and been on other social media websites too. I met a number of  kind and interesting people through the Internet and exchanged views, opinions, and thoughts ... learnt quite a bit from them too.

One thing that has intrigued me though, as a Catholic, is the number of times people have written to me saying that Catholics are not Christians. 

I did not expect that. I expected people writing against Christianity, or mocking it even. This is quite common in the UK. You see it on TV all the time. Comedians and others mentioning God or Jesus in a mocking way to attract laughs and applause.

But I did not expect attacks against a particular denomination within the Christian family.

Now I'll admit, Catholics can be a bit weird at times, (maybe often). They have what appear as peculiar habits and beliefs and dogmas set out by people high up on the managerial tree. Also, a lot of times lay Catholics misunderstand what they are taught by the Church and as a result project the wrong image of their Faith.

But in basic terms, Catholics believe the same things that other Christian denominations do.

We believe in one living God, His Son Jesus, the Holy Spirit, what is taught in the Bible and lots of other things Christians believe in. I wrote about this earlier in a post called CREDO. Check it out here and see where we differ in opinions and beliefs. 

Now (some) of the peculiar bits about the Catholics:

LATIN - There was a time when Mass was celebrated in Latin. This was stopped (generally) years ago and now Mass is celebrated in the language of the country where it is said.

STATUES, CANDLES AND FLOWERS - Yes, Catholic churches have statues of Christ and other Saints. This is to help the faithful to visualise how these people may have looked. Very much like you having a photo of a loved one in your wallet or on your desk. It is WRONG to worship these statues made of stone or whatever. Some Catholics get this bit wrong, they light candles and place flowers in the hope the Saint will answer their prayers and do them favours. This is also WRONG. You cannot buy God's favours, or the Saints', with candles, flowers, prayers or anything else. Perhaps the Church should re-teach this message which seems to have been misunderstood by some.

PRAYING TO MARY AND SAINTS - Yet another source of confusion. We do not (should not) pray TO the Saints but ask the Saints to pray FOR us. Imagine when someone is ill and you pray to God to heal him and care for him. You are in effect pleading with God for some help on behalf of this person. This is good. It shows charity and generosity of spirit on your part. When we pray to Saints, we ask them to plead for us with God and His Son, Jesus. To put in a good word for us. A good reference. I know I need as many prayers and pleadings for me; so any prayers from the Saints, or from you, would be welcome. Praying to Saints does not by-pass God, or Jesus, it is an extra channel through which some people like to channel their needs and requests. 

When we pray to Mary, yet again, we are not by-passing God. Or worshipping her. We only worship God and no one else. The way I see it is this:

God must have favoured Mary to have chosen her as the mother of Jesus. Jesus must have loved her and honoured her as He grew up. I guess God still honours her for saying YES when the Angel Gabriel visited her. Do you think God will be angry with me for honouring and loving Mary too?

FISH ON FRIDAYS - Years ago, the Church leaders suggested that, as a sacrifice and to honour Jesus, Catholics should not eat meat on Fridays, (the day Jesus died). It was in fact a mortal sin to eat meat on Fridays. This means if you die, having eaten meat on a Friday and not confessed and been forgiven of that sin, then you'd be going down without a parachute.   

This practice was because meat in those days was expensive. So people got in the habit of eating fish instead, which was cheaper. It is not compulsory to eat fish on Fridays. In fact it is not compulsory to eat, or not eat, anything. The practice of abstaining from meat on Fridays has largely faded away. Some still do not eat meat on Fridays, others abstain. It's a personal choice.

This has been a quick tour of what may be seen as different between Catholics and other Christians. If there are any other differences or questions you'd like explained please mention them in the comments box below, or write to me privately at enquiries@holyvisions.co.uk  Your e-mail comes to my desk and no one else. I shall respond, either privately, or by posting another article here.

53 comments:

  1. Our faith in Jesus is what matters. I do see some big differences though. The part you wrote about Mary makes me uneasy...sad, actually. God favors you too. I ask friends to pray with me. I suppose that is how you see Mary. Well, much more than that I am sure. I didn't mean to compare how you feel about her to how I feel about my friends. Just the praying part. Why do I ask people to pray with me? Probably a similar reason.

    This, however, is just too TOO totally offensive:

    "Catholics can be a bit weird at times"

    As an Evangelical I just want to point out that WE are the weird ones. How dare you...

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    1. I'm not sure I fully understand. You are uneasy because we ask Mary and the Saints to intercede for us? What if I were to ask you to pray for me; (I need it). Would that be wrong too? Prayers are the greatest gifts we can give and receive from each other. I value your prayers Sandi; God may well listen to you praying for me. So why should it be wrong to ask the Saints to pray for us?

      Maybe I got it all wrong.

      God bless you always my friend.

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    2. The Saints are people who have died, Mary also. Jesus is alive. He rose from the dead. So I suppose that is the difference for me. I do believe the Lord hears us when we pray for eachother, you and I. But I am uneasy with thinking of praying to or speaking with Saints who have died.

      Sorry. What a conversation!

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    3. It's good to have a conversation. That's how we learn from each other.

      Of course the Saints have died. But their souls live on, as will ours when we die, and all the other people who have died. Their souls, and ours hopefully, will be in Heaven. They are in constant contact with God and Jesus. They are as alive as Jesus is. Why would Jesus hear your prayers for me when you're alive; and not listen to you when your soul is with Him in Heaven?

      God bless you always, Sandi.

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    4. He can hear me praying in Heaven and on Earth.
      He hears you praying in Heaven and on Earth.
      He heard the Saints on Earth and now in Heaven.
      But...are we supposed to talk to the dead?

      Sorry, Victor. This is a horrible conversation. I don't want to say things that might be a conflict between us. But you asked and here we are.

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    5. There is nothing you can say that would conflict between us, Sandi. We are all Christians in this conversation. That is what matters.

      God bless you always.

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    6. @Sandi:
      Yes, of course we talk to Mary, the chosen Mother of Jesus. As well as to Saints and even our loved ones that have become Angels we know by name.
      It appears that you still don't fully grasp it. Our SOULS never die and your line: 'But...are we supposed to talk to the dead?' is proof of that.
      Your blog is just citing bible versus and the difference with Victor is that he is an accomplished publisher of many books and able to explain things in an understandable manner. That is far better than attacking from the side without ever daring to put in your own 'five cents worth'...
      One thing is certain that OUR God (yours and mine) is frequently shaking his head!
      The thing I don't agree with, being a Catholic by birth is: Mary Mother of God... That is a very bad and untrue line and might be cause of lots of confusion worldwide. She is the chosen Mother of Jesus, chosen by God!
      She IS very special as never ever has her body been found; she too resides in heaven with her son Jesus.
      Praying to her for intercession is a wonderful way and she's far better then any social media...😉
      Blessings to you and yours; we're all destined for the very same exit and only our souls will live on. Your soul would feel humbled if somebody on earth would 'talk' to you.
      Mariette

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    7. I talk to my dead mother fairly often, mostly to ask why on earth she didn't teach me this or that while I was young.

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    8. Yes, many people pray to the souls of their loved ones asking for help or whatever.

      God bless, River.

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    9. Mariette, I suppose we all see things a little differently. God bless you.

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    10. Sandi, it is indeed a little different; Victor, as well as myself openly write about our feelings. No nom de plume, but honesty as we truly belief.
      Mariette

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  2. ...I come from an Irish Catholic family, but my grandmother was a strong willed German Protestant. She ended that!

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    1. I'm sure St Peter will not check our passports to determine our denominations before letting us in Heaven.

      God bless, Tom.

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  3. We are all Christians, Victor. Thanks for your explanations regarding the Catholic church practices. I'm sure that's cleared the air for many who didn't understand those before.
    Blessings!

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    1. There are a lot of things in the Catholic Church that need clearing up, Martha. I've had many a debate/disagreements with priests. There are many things I think they got wrong!

      God bless always.

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  4. Dearest Victor,
    Sitting up in the middle of the night as the heavy, angry thunder and rain woke me up.
    So I've read your post here.
    WISH we still were having those Latin Masses with Gregorian songs! That was far, far better than the 'modern' adapted version in whatever language.
    The music is often far mediocre and the wordings likewise.
    WHY throw something THAT good over board?!
    It sure did not yield any more followers. Giving in seldom does. Wanting to make Mass more attractive or popular is the wrong reason. That for sure is not paying the utmost respect and honor to God.
    Saints will be shaking their heads for a long time since the final Vatican Council.
    Hugs,
    Mariette

    PS it is 3:46 but no Internet..

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  5. Only could release it now... The heavy thunder is gone!

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    1. Mariette, I agree 100% with what you say. It may have helped some people to have Mass celebrated in their language; but they should have also kept the Latin Mass for those who like it. I love Gregorian chants and responding at Mass in Latin.

      Here is a website with plenty of Latin chants and singing. I hope you like it:

      http://cometothechapel.blogspot.com/

      God bless.

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    2. In my area there are several churches who say the Latin Mass.

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    3. Just a few in the UK, Kathy.

      God bless.

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    4. Victor, on Fridays we have the Adoration and sing the Tantum Ergo, it is a fond way of going back to the earlier years, as we learned it!

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    5. I love the Tantum Ergo. It is on the website I mentioned to you above.

      God bless.

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    6. I love the movie Sister Act (with Whoopi Goldberg) about a club singer who witnesses a murder and is hidden for her safety in a nunnery. She takes over the choir (who are pretty bad) and has them "rocking up" the music. The head nun is shocked and asks what she was thinking and Whoopi Goldberg's character says she was thinking of "bums on seats", as in bring more people into the church.

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    7. That was a wonderful film, River. I also liked her in Star Trek.

      God bless.

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  6. Thank you for continuing to clarify so many misconceptions! I find your explanations very interesting; told in a manner even I (chuckle) can understand. While in junior high school, I remember the 'Catholic kids' were immediately recognizable b/c they had to order fish in the cafeteria each Friday. I never knew why!

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    1. It's because in those days, some Catholics believed they had to eat fish on Fridays. The Catholic Church is bad at explaining its dogmas and rules. For a long time, the attitude was punitive. "You do as I say or you are going to hell!"

      They frightened the congregation with fire and brimstone if they did not obey. I'm sure God is not a ruthless dictator demanding obedience or else. That is not the description we get from Jesus.

      God bless you, Mevely.

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  7. I love the comments, but especially the post. You said in a comment:
    The Catholic Church is bad at explaining its dogmas and rules. For a long time, the attitude was punitive. "You do as I say or you are going to hell!"
    That made me smile. My dad was a respected preacher in a Pentecostal Church. As a kid I was considered a member of a cult. Our church was TERRIBLE at teaching our actual beliefs.
    My dad was NEVER dogmatic but our denomination as a whole, was.
    I read some of Mark Twain's "Capt 'somebody' goes to heaven. It was written on a HUMAN level to try to explain heaven. The Capt. wanted to know when he would get to see St. Peter? "Man you are so far back in line it will be a thousand years before you talk to him. WHAT? you want a crown and harp? Are you crazy? you can have one but we only use them every million years or so, they are sorta aggravating to keep track of." That is all my interpretation of the book but does show the 'OUT OF TOUCH' ideas we have because we can only think on earthly terms, and WE CANNOT THINK AS GOD!
    Anyway I do appreciate your opinions of Christianity. Our world would be much better if we all could 'Love each other as Christ loved us.'
    Love you Bro.
    Sherry & jack (sorry to be long and confusing... but that is me....)

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    1. Your comment is not long, or confusing, Jack. It is welcome.

      Many times I have had disagreements about Catholic teachings and practices. Un-married priests is an example. I have written about that in my book "To Love A Priest".

      The Catholic Church is contradictory about this. A priest cannot marry. If you are a married man, you cannot become a priest.

      However, if you are/were an Anglican married priest, and you wish to leave your Church and become a Catholic priest, this is acceptable. I have known an Anglican married priest with children and grandchildren. He left his Church and is now a practicing Catholic priest - a good one at that.

      God bless you and Sherry, Jack.

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  8. Oh, dear! I did know these opinions exist, because I am married to a Catholic, however; it is so ludicrous to me that anyone has reservations about Catholics being Christian or not. It never crossed my mind to question that. So, your rituals vary from what most Protestants have, I'm Methodist, my sister is Baptist our rituals also vary, but that does not mean that either of us is not Christian. Thank you, my Christian friend, for enlightening us on some of your church’s rituals. Blessings always.

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    1. I was amazed at the number of times I have been told that Catholics are not Christians. On some websites I was told, this is a Christian site, you should not post here. You are not a Christian.

      It is always nice to see you visiting here, Nells. I hope you are well.

      God bless.

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  9. Thank you for explaining the praying to saints bit. That was helpful.
    A couple of years ago I discovered the Magnificat - I'd never really paid much attention to it until then. It is amazing and revolutionary.

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    1. The Magnificat is a wonderful prayer from Mary to God. Here it is sung in English:

      https://cometothechapel.blogspot.com/p/rosary.html

      God bless you, Liz.

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  10. I remember seeing a bumper sticker that said, "Catholics are the real Christians." I also remember eating fish on Fridays. I love fish. :)

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    1. Yes, some Catholics believe they are the real Christians because their Church starts with St Peter as first Pope. I think this is divisive and unhelpful of the Church to speak this way.

      God bless, Bill.

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  11. Just remembered what I was going to ask: what about confessing to a priest instead of going straight to God? I understand that it can be helpful to confess to another but only God can forgive.

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    1. A very controversial subject. Some history:

      "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Matthew 16:19

      Jesus said this to Peter, who later became the first leader of the Church after Jesus was raised to Heaven.

      Over the years, this power/duty to dispense forgiveness seems to have been passed on from the early Christians from generation to generation until now where priests through the sacrament of confession absolve peoples' sins.

      It is reasonable to say - If God knows everything, why can’t we just tell him that we’re sorry when we do something wrong?

      Many Catholics have difficulties with confessions to a priest. As you say, confessing to another person can be helpful and often the priest can dispense advice during the private conversation. When people hear the words "you are absolved/forgiven" it is as if they hear these words spoken by God through His priests. This does not happen when confessing straight to God and (some) people do not feel they have really been forgiven.

      As I said, very controversial subject. Many Catholics do not confess to a priest. The Church says this is wrong. The Church teaches that if one has committed a mortal sin, (very serious sin as stated in the Ten Commandments and Church doctrines and teachings), then they cannot take Communion. However, if one has committed venial, (small) sins, (we can debate for ages what these are), then they need only confess directly to God and, having been forgiven, they can take Communion.

      Hence another example of the Church not being clear and confusion amongst the laity.

      Thank you for your good question, Liz.

      God bless.

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    2. again I can understand the theory. I think my concern is the idea that I get from films etc that it's often not a genuine confession or more importantly repentance. I suppose it's the idea that people are brought up as Catholics and made to go to confession without a real understanding. I don't know how true that is these days. Maybe, as church numbers decrease, the majority of Catholics are earnest believers who understand they're confessing to God.
      I grew up in an Anglican church but didn't become a Christian until my 30s when I had moved away. When i moved to Swansea the church I then began attending had quite 'Catholics aren't Christians' views (it's changed now!) which I found puzzling not to mention judgemental.

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    3. Generally speaking, (because I cannot speak about/for individuals), I guess people go to confession with good intentions. They feel they need to discuss the error of their ways with a priest, and they feel the freedom of spirit given by absolution.

      I have no doubts that some people go to confession in a mechanical way; not genuine, but just to get a clean bill of health. They may well be fooling the priest and themselves. But they certainly are not fooling God. Their judgement is one between them and God ... eventually.

      You are right that some Catholics grow up with a lack of understanding. And if the adults are confused, how could they possibly teach their offspring? Religious education is mostly lacking in schools.

      I've never encountered "Catholics are not Christians" attitude in real life. Only on-line through social media.

      Thank you again, Liz, for this conversation. It is good to have you visiting here.

      God bless.

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    4. It is good to have a conversation. Thank you.

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  12. Informative learning about some of the reasons for the practices. I may not agree with all of them but certainly wouldn't judge any one for believing them and certainly consider Catholics Christians!!!

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    1. Thank you Happyone. It's surprising how often I've been told we're not Christians.

      God bless.

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  13. I only know that, funerals, weddings, birthdays, what ever the occasion, nobody parties like Catholics.

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  14. Every denomination gets some things wrong, i can't wait to get to Heaven so i can laugh at my own mistakes.

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    1. I wonder ... do we sit a test or exam before we are accepted to Heaven? Are the questions written in English, or Latin? Or Aramaic? Or the language that we normally speak?

      God bless, Mimi.

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  15. I don't eat meat on Fridays but not for any religious reason. it's just because Fridays are my cheesy scrambled eggs days.

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    1. I love scrambled eggs with cheese.

      God bless, River.

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  16. Hi Victor,
    As the scriptures say, there is One mediator between man and God and that is Jesus. I can not see where it says that there are any other mediators that we can turn to. We are told to pray in Jesus's name, and when we are born again of God's Spirit we have become part of the body of Christ on earth, and have the mind of Christ. So we are able to do that, because we are in His name when we are part of His body. There is lots we could discuss regarding this.

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    1. I understand what you are saying, Brenda.

      God bless you.

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